Journal of 9/11 Studies 47 August 2006/Volume 2 118 Witnesses: The Firefighters’ Testimony to Explosions in the Twin Towers Graeme MacQueen August 21, 2006
Journal
of 9/11 Studies 47 August 2006/Volume 2 118 Witnesses: The Firefighters’
Testimony to Explosions in the Twin Towers Graeme MacQueen August 21, 2006
Journal of 9/11
Studies 48 August
2006/Volume 2
Initially, the city of New York refused to release this
material, but after a lawsuit by the New York Times and some of the 9/11
victims’ families the city was ordered to release them. The New York Times then
posted them on its internet site, where they have been available (with some
deletions) to the public since August, 2005.[3] As
we learn from the oral histories themselves, the interviews took place in
various FDNY offices and were conducted by a variety of FDNY
officers.
Sometimes only the interviewer and the interviewee were present, while at other
times additional persons were present. Locations, dates, times, and names of
those present are all meticulously recorded. It is impossible to tell simply by
reading the recorded interviews if the atmosphere in which the interviews were
conducted was coercive in any way, but I have found no evidence of this. In
many cases the interviewer simply asks the interviewee to recount what he or
she experienced on 9/11. Thereafter, some interviewers intervene frequently
with questions, while others are largely silent. Interventions typically seek
to establish details of times and locations, of the actions of various chiefs
and firefighters, and of the progress of operations. Interviewers usually do
not show any special interest in the topics central to my concerns—the
collapses of the Towers and the use or non-use of explosions in these
collapses--but their curiosity and attention are sometimes crucial to the
eliciting of critical information.[4] There are very few cases where the
interviewer may be said to have “led” the witness toward the explosion
option.[5] Most interviewees appear to have given their testimony
spontaneously, although some obviously read from a report they had written.[6]
For the most part, interviewees appear to have been given the opportunity to
structure their narratives as they wished. As we know, the New York
firefighters were used by the U.S. government after 9/11 as symbols of heroism,
but there are in this collection very few heroic narratives. Many accounts are
actually structured as anti-heroic narratives--the firefighters arrive to save
people and end up running for their lives as the Towers collapse.[7] Others are
outright chaos narratives, where people mill around hopelessly with no plan and
where their skills are useless.[8] I find many of the stories powerfully told,
with vulnerability and humanity. Patriotism is no more than an occasional flash
in these accounts, and there are extremely few witnesses who try to use their
experiences to advance the U.S. government’s war on terror. Despite variations
in the stories, as a body of narrative the collection gives prominence to five
perceptions that were shocking to the witnesses: (1)the perception of the
Towers burning;[9] (2)the perception of body parts littering the streets as the
firefighters and medics arrive on the scene;[10] (3)the perception of people in
the Towers leaping to their deaths;[11] (4)the perception of the Towers
collapsing, and, especially, the perception of the initiation of these
collapses; (5)the perception of, and entrapment in, the cloud of pulverized
building flowing down the streets after the collapses.[12] It is the fourth of
these shocking perceptions that is the focus of the present study. Journal of 9/11
Studies 49 August 2006/Volume 2 The
Surprising Collapses Although the 9/11 Commission Report acknowledges that fire
chiefs on the scene thought the collapse of the Towers was impossible,[13] it
is worth emphasizing the unanimity of the FDNY personnel on this point. Here
are typical comments: “...it took me a long time before I could accept the fact
that even after you could see that the tower wasn't there you said it had to be
there somewhere. You couldn’t believe that it had come down.” (Captain Michael
Donovan, 9110205) “I was kind of in disbelief that the building was actually
collapsing. I kind of stopped to say, well, maybe that was a piece of the
facade. I couldn’t believe that the entire building was going to collapse in
one heap.”(Captain Charles Clarke, 9110250) “Once again, I’m doing this 23
years...This changed all the rules. This changed all the rules. This went from
a structure to a wafer in seconds, in seconds. I couldn’t believe the speed of
that tower coming down. I heard the rumble, I looked up, debris was already 50
feet from the ground...” (Sergeant James Canham, 9110370) “I’ve worked in
Manhattan my whole career in high rises and everything else...you looked back,
all you see--you know how fast those buildings came down...it just doesn’t
click that these buildings can come down...you just couldn’t believe that those
buildings could come down...there’s no history of these buildings falling
down.” (Lieutenant Warren Smith, 9110223) “whoever in their right mind would
have thought that the World Trade Center would ever fall down...Nobody in the
world, nobody ever would ever have thought those buildings were coming down.”
(EMS Captain Mark Stone, 9110076) Hypotheses Many hypotheses have been put
forward to explain the collapse of the Twin Towers, but we can think of these
hypotheses are falling into two sets, the set of hypotheses according to which
explosions were a critical factor in the collapses (which I shall call the set
of explosion hypotheses, or EH) and the set according to which explosions were
not a critical factor in the collapses (non-explosion hypotheses, or NEH). EH
would include, for example, suggestions of explosives on the planes, mini-nukes
in the buildings, or multiple pre-positioned charges—the last suggestion being,
for good reasons, the most popular—which cut the columns, pulverized the
building, and so on. NEH would include various combinations of failed trusses,
weakened core and perimeter columns, sagging floors and the like, typically
said to have been caused by a combination of airplane impact and heat from
burning jet fuel, which somehow resulted in progressive and total collapse of
the buildings.[14] Testing the Hypotheses through Observation Journal of 9/11
Studies 50 August 2006/Volume 2 Let
me begin by stressing that I am interested here only in how these sets of
hypotheses are verified and falsified through the direct accounts of witnesses.
I exclude all evidence, even where it is indirectly based on eyewitness
accounts, that involves measurement, analysis of physical materials, or
photographic or seismic records. Obviously, all these forms of evidence are
valid, but they are not my focus in this paper. (i) How, then, can EH be tested
by the observations of those present at the scene? What, among such
observations, will tend to verify EH and what will tend to falsify it? If
witnesses perceive or think they perceive explosions that they judge to be
critical to the collapse of the towers,[15] this will constitute positive
evidence in support of EH. All testimony that supports NEH will count against
EH. Whether or not silence on the part of witnesses—no mention of
explosions--should count against EH is a difficult matter. Arguments from
silence have many dangers. I am prepared to say this: the nature of
observational evidence is such that the greater the number of witnesses, the
richer the detail of their observations, and the more their testimonies
complement each other, the stronger the case will be. I see no way to set a
decisive boundary, a number of testimonies beneath which EH fails and beyond
which it succeeds. There will be an irreducible degree of subjective judgment.
(ii) How can NEH be tested by the observations of those present at the scene?
What will tend to verify and what will tend to falsify it? We can divide
non-explosion hypotheses into two main sub-sets, those that focus on the
initial causes of structural failure of the Towers and those that focus on the
progressive and total collapse of the Towers. The hypothesis of the National
Institute of Standards and Technology is in the former class. NIST has a clear
hypothesis concerning the initiation of the collapses of the upper stories of
the Towers, but it has nothing of substance to say about progressive and total
collapse.[16] Even if our main interest lay in the initiation of the collapse
of top floors (which it does not), we would find that the evidence supporting
this is, for the most part, hidden from observers and, where visible, is
ambiguous and could easily support EH.[17] We therefore find that NIST’s
hypothesis, and similar hypotheses focusing on initial causes, offer us little
that we can test through observation. This does not mean these hypotheses are
false, it simply means we must pass over them in silence when we are looking
for positive evidence from observers. The proponents of these hypotheses will have
to look elsewhere for supporting evidence. Of the second sub-set of NEH, the
most common over the years since 9/11 has been the well-known “pancake”
hypothesis.[18] Regardless of what the initiating causes of collapse may be,
says this hypothesis, progressive and total collapse came about through
successive, linked and cumulative falling or “pancaking” of floors. The pancake
hypothesis became very influential as an explanation of Tower collapse soon
after 9/11. It was later adopted in the 9/11 Commission Report of 2004 [19] and
it continues to be influential among those unfamiliar with research on the
collapses. The evidence and argument assembled against this hypothesis seem to
me, however, to be definitive, and it is not surprising that the 2005 NIST report
avoids endorsing pancaking. I believe that this hypothesis is simply no longer
viable.[20] At the time the interviews with members of the FDNY were being
conducted, the pancake hypothesis was well known and was felt by many people to
have been proven correct. I have no doubt that this is why FDNY members make
fairly common mention of pancaking. What are we to do with this testimony? Journal of 9/11
Studies 51 August 2006/Volume 2 We
notice, first of all, that not all witnesses regard pancaking and critical
explosions as mutually exclusive. Williams Reynolds says: “I was distracted by
a large explosion from the south tower and it seemed like fire was shooting out
a couple of hundred feet in each direction, then all of a sudden the top of the
tower started coming down in a pancake...” [21] Second, we can in most cases
not tell for certain what witnesses mean when they speak of pancaking. Perhaps
some of them simply mean that they saw progressive collapse of the building,
starting near the top and continuing on down. (This difficulty is not
restricted to the term “pancaking:” it applies to several terms I have used in
my research. When people speak of the buildings “imploding,” for example, they
may merely mean that the buildings collapsed rapidly on themselves. But I
believe most of the terms on which my research focuses, such as “explosion” and
“bomb,” are less subject to ambiguity.) I have decided that it is important,
regardless of the status of the pancake hypothesis today, to record all those
cases in the oral histories where witnesses appear to support this hypothesis.
These cases are, at the very least, important as evidence of how theories about
the collapses evolved among witnesses over time. The oral histories show that
many people who originally thought they had witnessed critical explosions were
later persuaded that they had not, and it appears that the pancake hypothesis
was the main alternative they were offered. In any case, I have been able to
find only one other type of report in this material that clearly supports NEH,
namely cases where witnesses directly deny that they witnessed explosions. In
short, support for NEH, for the purposes of this study, consists of testimony
denying explosions and testimony supporting the pancake hypothesis. Falsification
of NEH is quite straightforward. NEH and EH cannot both be true, so all
evidence that supports EH weakens NEH. Note that it weakens not only the
pancake hypothesis but all non-explosion hypotheses. Where observational
evidence is concerned, falsification should be thought of as a cumulative
process, and we shall want to look at both the quantity and quality of our
evidence. Evidence Supporting Sets of Hypotheses (i) I have established seven
categories of evidence to help organize the cases that will count in favour of
EH: (a)cases where witnesses use the words “explode,” “explosion” or variants
to describe what they perceived; (b)cases where witnesses use the term “blast”
to refer to what they saw or heard; (c)cases where witnesses use the terms “blew
up,” “blew out” or variants to describe what they perceived; (d)cases where
witnesses use the terms “bomb” or “secondary device” (a term for an explosive
device timed to go off after care-givers have gathered to give aid) to describe
what they perceived; Journal
of 9/11 Studies 52 August 2006/Volume 2 (e)cases
where witnesses use the terms “implode,” “implosion” or variants to describe
what they perceived; (f)cases that I judge to be strongly suggestive of planned
demolition; (g)other cases that are, in my judgment, suggestive of critical
explosions. I have decided on the following exclusions. All cases will be
excluded where sounds are described whose interpretation is ambiguous. Thus,
“bang” and “boom” are excluded (though I have included “ba-ba-ba-boom”), unless
accompanied by a more explicit term such as “explode,” since they might have
non-explosive causes such as floors falling on other floors. The ubiquitous
“rumble” is excluded, as is the very common “roar” and a host of similes and
metaphors referring to freight trains, jet planes and the like. All these
sounds might be expected to accompany a catastrophic collapse of a 110 story
building, whatever the cause of the collapse. Although I have accepted
references to “volcano,” I have excluded “earthquake” and related metaphors and
descriptions from my list, thereby excluding one of David Ray Griffin’s main
categories.[22] I recognize that Griffin has good reasons for including
selected cases of the shaking of the earth: when this shaking occurs very early
in the sequence of events, and especially before there is any visible sign of
collapse in the Towers, it suggests the shaking has an explosive origin and is
not simply the expected accompaniment of a massive building collapse. But I
have decided to err on the side of caution and exclude all such references,
leaving it to other researchers to sort the wheat from the chaff. I have
included “blast” references only in selected cases, and especially when these
appear to refer to what witnesses saw or heard, as opposed to what they felt.
Many witnesses refer to feeling the massive pressure wave that accompanied or
followed the collapse, and they sometimes use the term “blast” in this
connection. But such a pressure wave would be expected to accompany the sudden
collapse of large buildings and is freely described by the 9/11 Commission
Report.[23] Again, as with the shaking of the earth, I have tried to err on the
side of caution. A researcher more familiar than I with the signs of explosions
and blast waves might be able to sort out these cases. I have excluded all
references to possible effects of explosions where the explosions themselves
are not named or described. I therefore exclude descriptions of lobby damage
found when the firefighters arrived, which may be evidence of early explosions
low in the building, as well as the debris cloud resulting from the mid-air
pulverization of the Towers. Throughout, I have tried to keep my focus on what
the witnesses themselves perceived or thought they were perceiving. When we
apply the above criteria and restrictions we are left with 177 cases from 118
witnesses. (The former number is higher than the latter because a given witness
may use more than one term or category in an account.) The cases are listed
according to category in Appendix A and the testimony is given in extenso, in
alphabetical order according to the names of the witnesses, in Appendix B. (ii)
I have found it sufficient to establish three categories of evidence for the
much smaller number of cases offering evidence that supports NEH: (a)cases
where witnesses deny perceiving explosions; Journal of 9/11 Studies 53 August
2006/Volume 2 (b)cases where witnesses use the
words “pancake,” “pancaking” or variants to describe what they perceived, while
omitting reference to explosions; (c)cases where, although they do not use the
above words, witnesses describe processes that suggest pancaking in the absence
of explosions. Note that valid cases may not be retrospective (someone
explicitly tells us that he or she decided after the event that what was seen
was pancaking), nor may they be indirect (a person sees the event on television
or passes on the opinion of a friend). When we apply the above criteria and
restrictions we are left with ten cases from ten witnesses. These are given,
according to category, in Appendix C. Failure to Mention Explosions: the
Argument from Silence If there were, in fact, explosions, why do the majority
of FDNY witnesses whose testimony has been recorded not mention explosions? I
believe that this argument from silence must be faced, despite its problematic
nature. Let us consider the numbers. We have 118 witnesses out of a pool of
503. Over 23 per cent of our group are explosion witnesses. In my judgment,
this is a very high percentage of witnesses, especially when we consider that:
(a)Interviewers were typically not asked about explosions and, in most cases,
were not even asked about the collapses of the towers. What testimony we have
was volunteered, and it therefore represents not the maximum number of
witnesses to explosions but the minimum number. (b)Some FDNY witnesses were not
near the Towers when collapse occurred.[24] (c)Some witnesses were preoccupied
with issues other than the collapses: their accounts reveal little interest in the
events on which we are focusing.[25] (d)Some accounts are extremely succinct
and include little detail.[26] (e)Many accounts include references that are,
while ambiguous, not inconsistent with explosions. In this category I include
“rumble,” “boom” and the like. In my judgment, the lack of references to
explosions among the majority of witnesses is easily explained and does little
to weaken EH. The Quality of the Cases Since one of the main aims of my
research has been to take seriously the perceptions and interpretations of FDNY
witnesses (in a way that the 9/11 Commission Report and the NIST report do
not), I find myself reluctant to “explain away” statements that these witnesses
have made. I believe it is fair to say, however, that the cumulative impact of
the NEH witnesses is weak not merely because of the paucity of these accounts
but because most of them can, without difficulty, be accommodated within EH. Of
the ten cases, I would say that Terranova’s (9110168) is the strongest. He
hears the rumble and the succession of booms but interprets these within the
pancake framework, because, he says, he directly saw this pancaking. Fair
enough. The Sanchez account (9110128) I would rate a close second, but its
reference to a shaking of the Journal of 9/11 Studies 54 August 2006/Volume 2 earth early in the sequence of events could indicate
explosion. Several other accounts include similar difficulties: in addition to
the ambiguity already mentioned (what do they mean by “pancaking?”) we find
references to “the earthquake feel” (Harris, 9110108); the odd expression
“machine gun” to refer to pancaking (Salvador, 9110474); and reference to the
pancaking starting much lower (70th floor of the South Tower) than it should have (Holowach,
9110114). In my view, as evidence in support of the set of non-explosion
hypotheses this list of cases is not strong. It can be accommodated by the
alternative set of hypotheses. What of the EH cases? Can they be accommodated
by the set of non-explosion hypotheses? I do not believe so. We begin by facing
the simple number of individual witnesses (118) and the even greater number of
references, direct or indirect, in their accounts to explosions. We next have
to deal with the rich, mutually supportive detail of these accounts. True, there
are apparent inconsistencies: one person will refer to a single big explosion,
another will say there were three explosions, while yet another will claim to
have heard seven. I have made no attempt to sort out all these claims and
cannot pretend to know if they are ultimately compatible. But, on the other
hand, I cannot read this material without being struck by the ways in which the
witnesses’ testimony is not merely cumulative but complementary and
multidimensional. Griffin has discussed this multidimensionality while making
his case for planned demolition, and I direct the reader to his discussion.[27]
Among the phenomena to which he draws our attention are: the horizontal
ejection of debris early in the buildings’ collapses; the huge clouds of fine dust;
the explicit discussion by the firefighters, in the midst of these events, of
the possibility that they were witnessing planned demolition; and multiple,
heard “pops” with apparently related, visually perceived “flashes,” which occur
in patterns, temporally and spatially, in ways that suggest planned demolition.
I fail to see how any of the non-explosion hypotheses put forward to date,
including the pancake hypothesis, can accommodate all of these phenomena. The
Changing of MindsAs will be apparent to anyone who reads through Appendix B,
many members of the FDNY came to believe, in the period between 9/11 and their
interviews, that they had been mistaken in interpreting what they perceived as
evidence of explosions. Some suggest in their interviews that they now (as of
the interview date) realize they witnessed non-explosive collapse, with the
implication that they face the task of fitting what they originally perceived
into the new framework. A few adopt the new framework readily; others do so
reluctantly; and still others are unwilling to do so at all. I have not
attempted in Appendix B to delete references to change of mind: on the
contrary, I have included them because I find them fascinating and instructive.
In some cases we can almost feel the struggle of the interviewee to accept the
new interpretive frame. Charles Wells appears to be making a valiant effort to
avoid mentioning explosions before he at last gives in: “We got to the point of
being in between the Vista Hotel and the World Trade Center, at which point we
heard a -- we felt a loud -- a very strong vibration, shaking, and a loud noise
like a Journal
of 9/11 Studies 55 August 2006/Volume 2 subway
train coming through a station at speed, like a jet engine at full throttle. It
was a roaring sound... [then, later in the narrative] Everybody's heads were
all popping up now. Everybody is digging out, so I ran into a couple of
firefighters and I said, ‘Well, you know, what the hell happened?’ Some kind of
an explosion, he goes, and that's what I thought it was...”[28] Maybe the
non-explosion interpretation gained ground as the result of reflection, reading
and a gradual maturing of judgement. In this case we might speak of a process
of education. But maybe the change in interpretation resulted from an
undercutting of witnesses’ perception by the theories and claims of “experts,”
institutional superiors and government leaders, in which case we might prefer
to speak of the “re-education” or indoctrination of the FDNY witnesses. I
mentioned earlier the concern of Mr. Von Essen that the oral histories be
recorded “before they became reshaped by a collective memory.” Now we see the
soundness of his intuition. Early in 2004 Rodger Herbst suggested that, in
explaining the collapse of the towers, explosion hypotheses came first and were
only gradually supplanted by “politically correct revisionist theories.”[29] We
now have solid evidence suggesting that, for the FDNY, non-explosive collapse
is, indeed, a revisionist theory. The Oral Histories, the 9/11 Commission
Report, and the NIST Report The 9/11 Commission and NIST both resorted to legal
threats against the city of New York in order to obtain the 503 oral
histories.[30] They succeeded in gaining access to this material, and we would
expect them to make use of it. It appears (references are somewhat unclear)
that the Commission did, in fact, make fairly extensive use of the oral
histories in composing the crucial Chapter 9 of its 2004 Report, which deals
with the crashing of the planes into the Towers and the subsequent collapse of
these buildings.[31] The Report refers to the oral histories to verify the
condition of civilians in the stairwells of the Towers, the nature of rescue
actions taking place on various floors of the buildings, and so on. It appears
to regard the oral narratives as trustworthy; establishes no critical distance
from them; seems to consider them straightforward descriptions of the events of
the day. But what about all the references in the FDNY material to explosions?
The Report makes no mention of them. Chapter 9 contains the only reference to
explosion hypotheses in the entire 9/11 Commission Report: “When the South
Tower collapsed, firefighters on upper floors of the North Tower heard a
violent roar, and many were knocked off their feet...those firefighters not
standing near windows facing south had no way of knowing that the South Tower
had collapsed; many surmised that a bomb had exploded...”[32] The note
supporting this statement is to a body of later (2004) interviews of firefighters
by the Commission, not to the 503 oral histories. Why is this? And what are we
to make of the
Journal of 9/11
Studies 92 August 2006/Volume 2 After
hearing this and looking up and seeing the building, what I thought was an
explosion, everyone was running... [pp. 4-5] *** Janice Olszewski, 9110193
South Tower: I didn’t think it was safe. I didn’t know what was going on. I
thought more could be happening down there. I didn’t know if it was an
explosion. I didn’t know it was collapse at that point. I thought it was an
explosion or secondary device, a bomb, the jet-plane exploding, whatever. [p.
7] *** Patricia Ondrovic, 9110048 South Tower: My partner and I grabbed our
stretcher, went to put it in the back of our vehicle, and at that time, I think
it was the lobby of the building behind us blew out. Everybody started running,
I didn't see him again that day. He got thrown one way, I got thrown the other
way. ...I was still on Vesey, cause the building that blew up on me was on
Vesey. ...There was no where safe to go...I thought that they blew up our
triage sector...The paramedic from Cabrini, that's where he was. I was just
talking to him 20 minutes before everything blew up. [pp. 4-7] ... At that
point I got really upset. I said, do you realize they just blew up our triage
sector? Everybody back there is dead, everybody back there is gone. [p. 9] ***
Joseph Patriciello, 9110378 South Tower: ...I happened to be looking up and saw
the explosion or the building fail with the ensuing fireball and cloud. It didn't
appear to me at that moment the building was coming down. But when the noise
level began to pick up, it was obvious that something wrong was going on. We
all proceeded to run... [p. 4] Journal of 9/11 Studies 93 August 2006/Volume 2 *** Joseph Petrassi, 9110449 North Tower: We came out of the
building and we were looking up and the tower seemed to blow out...You could
the feel the stuff hitting you on the back as you were running. [p. 3] ***
Thomas Piambino, 9110493 South Tower: The south tower had fallen, but at that
time I didn't know what it was. All I heard was a tremendous explosion. The
tower I was in shook really bad. [p. 5] North Tower: ...and then the north
tower started to fall, and my perception was that when I looked back at the
tower as it was starting to come down -- I was booking -- was that there was --
I thought it exploded, and I didn't realize it had collapsed. It looked to me
like an explosion...I wound up taking refuge behind an ESU truck, I believe it
was, a Police Department ESU truck, I think, and I just rode it out until first
there was the explosion or the concussion, and then there was very, very strong
wind, and then there was the black... [pp. 9-10] *** John Picarello, 9110240
South Tower: In about a second or two, you just heard like a ba-ba-ba-boom, and
everything just came down and everything was pitch-black. [p. 6] *** Richard
Picciotto, 9110211 South Tower: [As heard from inside the NT.] ...drop your
tools, drop your masks, drop everything, get out, get out, get out. My thinking
was either--I thought a bomb hit the other building and brought it down, and if
there’s a bomb in that one, there’s a bomb in this one. [p. 6] Journal of 9/11
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Kevin Quinn, 9110339 South Tower: Looking up at the towers and it looked like
it just basically imploded. [p. 2] *** Joseph Rae, 9110294 South Tower: We
started walking north to just about the second footbridge, which would be 6
World Trade, and all of a sudden we heard the explosion and the building
started to come down and I ran... [p. 3] *** Gerard Reilly, 9110435 South
Tower: So we probably were in the building maybe a minute in the lobby of the
tower, whichever one we were in, and that's when it came down. But I thought it
was an explosion in the hotel, because all the debris came down, it was
pitch-black, the whole building shook. [p. 4] ... I told him I thought it was a
bomb in the hotel, because nobody said the building collapsed. [p. 5] ***
William Reynolds, 9110288 South Tower: After a while, and I don't know how long
it was, I was distracted by a large explosion from the south tower and it
seemed like fire was shooting out a couple of hundred feet in each direction,
then all of a sudden the top of the tower started coming down in a pancake...
[p. 3] ... Q. Bill, just one question. The fire that you saw, where was the
fire? Like up at the upper levels where it started collapsing? Journal of 9/11
Studies 95 August 2006/Volume 2 A.
It appeared somewhere below that. Maybe twenty floors below the impact area of
the plane. [p. 4] ... Q. You're talking about the north tower now; right? A.
Before the north tower fell. He said,’No.’ I said, ‘Why not? They blew up the
other one.’ I thought they blew it up with a bomb. I said, ‘If they blew up the
one, you know they're gonna blow up the other one.’ [p. 8] *** Patrick
Richiusa, 9110305 North Tower: ...then it was dead silent. There was no noise
after 1 Trade Center fell. It was like something out of a movie. It was really
loud and then it was -- maybe it was just my hearing from the blast. [p. 10]
*** Juan Rios, 9119937 South Tower: ...I was hooking up the regulator to the
O-2, when I hear people screaming and a loud explosion...So I just started to
run... [p. 3] *** Angel Rivera, 9110489 South Tower: [The collapse is experienced
from inside the Marriott hotel.] ...when we hit the 19th floor, something
horrendous happened. It was like a bomb went off. We thought we were dead. The
whole building shook. The brick coming out of -- the door to the hallway into
the hotel blew off like somebody had thrown it all over the place. It shook all
over the place. We were thrown on the floor...The building was still shaking
and we're still hearing explosions going on everywhere, so we decided let's get
out of here. [pp. 4-5] North Tower: [Again from inside the Marriott.] Mike
Mullan walked one flight up, and then the most horrendous thing happened.
That's when hell came down. It was like a huge, enormous explosion. I still can
hear it. Journal
of 9/11 Studies 96 August 2006/Volume 2 Everything
shook. Everything went black. The wind rushed, very slowly [sound], all the
dust, all the -- and everything went dark. We were rolling all over the floor,
banging against the walls... [p. 7] ... When the second tower came down, we had
no idea what was going on. We thought another plane, another bomb, another as a
second device. [p. 9] *** Daniel Rivera, 9110035 South Tower: [This witness is
very close to ST when it collapses.] Then that’s when I kept on walking close
to the south tower and that’s when that building collapsed. Q. How did you know
that it was coming down? A. That noise. It was a noise. Q. What did you hear?
What did you see? A. It was a frigging noise. At first I thought it was--do you
ever see professional demolition where they set the charges on certain floors
and then you hear ‘pop, pop, pop, pop, pop’? That’s exactly what--because I
thought it was that. When I heard that frigging noise, that’s when I saw the
building coming down. [p. 9] *** Terence Rivera, 9110343 South Tower: As I run
towards it, I know that I'm not going to escape the -- escape it, so I dive
under -- I don't know even know which rig it was. I dive under a rig. At the
same time it felt like an explosion. I got bounced around underneath the rig.
[p. 7] *** Kenneth Rogers, 9110290 South Tower: ...we were standing there with
about five companies and we were just waiting for our assignment and then there
was an explosion in the south tower, which according to this map, this exposure
just blew out in flames. A lot of guys left at that point. I kept watching.
Floor after floor after floor. One floor under another after another and when
it hit about the fifth floor, I figured it was a bomb, because it looked like a
synchronized deliberate kind of thing. [pp. 3-4] Journal of 9/11 Studies 97 August
2006/Volume 2 *** John Rothmund, 9110112 South
Tower: At that time we were looking at the top of the towers and all the rubble
and people coming off, and all of a sudden you heard -- it sounded like another
airplane, or a missile. It was like a slow shake. The whole ground just
vibrated and shook. [pp. 5-6] North Tower: Again, we didn't know what was going
on. We thought it was a bomb, you know, like planes were dropping from the sky
or missiles were hitting. We didn't know what the hell was going on. [p. 14]
*** William Ryan, 9110117 [Seems to be after both collapses.] Q. What did you
think you were responding to at that point? A. Well, we knew we had fire. We
knew we had partial collapse. Q. From an explosion or -- A. Yes. Well, we heard
a loud boom when we were getting ready to dock the ferry. Probably the jet fuel
igniting, I assume. [p. 3] *** Stanley Rybak, 9110263 South Tower: ...then the
-- then everything just came right through. The dust and the explosion knocked
the windows out, and so I was momentarily on the ground. [p. 5] *** Anthony
Salerno, 9110309 North Tower: Journal of 9/11 Studies 98 August 2006/Volume 2 Putting out all those fires, in that interim, the second
building had come down. I remember hearing a lot of explosions, the street
turning completely gray, gray clouds of smoke all over the place. Everybody had
stopped what they were doing and ran back up the block. [p. 4] *** Patrick
Scaringello, 9110030 South Tower: I started to treat patients on my own when I heard
the explosion from up above. I looked up, I saw smoke and flame and then I saw
the top tower tilt, start to twist and lean. [p. 4] North Tower: I was
assisting in pulling more people out from debris, when I heard the second tower
explode. [p. 5] *** Howie Scott, 9110365 South Tower: We just made our turn to
go in towards the lobby of tower two. For whatever reason, I just happened to
look up and saw the whole thing coming down, pancaking down, and the explosion,
blowing out about halfway up. [p. 6] *** Edward Sheehey, 9110226 South Tower:
We were probably just at West Street, just at the street. Then the south tower
-- we heard an explosion, looked up, and the building started to collapse. [p.
3] *** William Simon, 9110115 North Tower: Then we hear a rumble, and we see a
blast of smoke and a slight ball of flame coming out from the silhouette of the
building, and we watched the antenna collapse into the building. [p. 9] Journal of 9/11
Studies 99 August 2006/Volume 2 ***
Richard Skillington, 9110279 North Tower: I looked up. I saw a helicopter, and
I was trying to figure out what he was doing. Then the second tower exploded
and started coming down. [p. 4] *** Richard Smiouskas, 9110210 South Tower: All
of a sudden there was this groaning sound like a roar, grrrr. The ground
started to shake....It looked like an earthquake. The ground was shaking. I
fell to the floor. My camera bag opened up. The cameras went skidding across
the floor. The windows started exploding in. [pp. 8-9] ... ...I didn't know
exactly what was going on outside. I'm thinking maybe the building snapped in
half. I'm thinking maybe a bomb blew up. I'm thinking it could have been a
nuclear. [p. 9] *** Thomas Spina, 9110445 South Tower: I don't know what time
later a loud rumble -- it sounded like an explosion. We thought it was a
bomb... and number two tower comes down... [p. 9] *** Mark Steffens, 9110003
South Tower: We got to maybe one block north of where the Battery Tunnel exits
onto West Street there, and then, boom, a massive explosion. Right in front of
us we saw what looked like a fireball and smoke. It was rolling this way. [p.
5] North Tower: Journal
of 9/11 Studies 100 August 2006/Volume 2 Then
there was another it sounded like an explosion and heavy white powder, papers,
flying everywhere. [pp. 6-7] *** John Sudnik, 9110198 South Tower: The best I
can remember, we were just operating there, trying to help out and do the best
we could. Then we heard a loud explosion or what sounded like a loud explosion
and looked up and I saw tower two start coming down. *** Frank Sweeney, 9110113
South Tower: I bent over to pick up the hose, and I hear what sounded like
firecrackers and a low rumble. I look up, and the south tower -- I could see
the top part of the siding overlapping the bottom side of the siding...I ran...
[p. 9] *** Jay Swithers, 9110172 South Tower: I took a quick glance at the
building and while I didn't see it falling, I saw a large section of it
blasting out, which led me to believe it was just an explosion. I thought it
was a secondary device, but I knew that we had to go. [p. 5] ... So I assumed
that the vehicle had not been in the - what I thought was an explosion at the
time, but was the first collapse. [p. 9] *** David Timothy, 9110156 North
Tower: The next thing I knew, you started hearing more explosions. I guess this
is when the second tower started coming down. [p. 12]
Journal
of 9/11 Studies 101 August 2006/Volume 2 ***
Stanley Trojanowski, 9110292 South Tower: After the collapse of number Two
World Trade Center, which I actually thought was a bomb that went off because
the north tower was blocking my view, debris and everything started falling,
people were running... [p. 3] ... I made my way underneath the scaffolding
again and just tried to outlast the collapse, which I thought was just another
bomb going off. [p. 4] *** Albert Turi, 9110142 South Tower: The next thing I
heard was Pete say what the fuck is this? And as my eyes traveled up the
building, and I was looking at the south tower, somewhere about halfway up, my
initial reaction was there was a secondary explosion, and the entire floor
area, a ring right around the building blew out. I later realized that the
building had started to collapse already and this was the air being compressed
and that is the floor that let go. [p. 14] *** Thomas Turilli, 9110501 South
Tower: [This appears to be at, or just before, the collapse of the ST. They are
in the NT and have just sent some men up in the elevator.] The door closed,
they went up, and it just seemed a couple seconds and all of a sudden you just
heard like it almost actually that day sounded like bombs going off, like boom,
boom, boom, like seven or eight, and then just a huge wind... [p. 4] [They get
down the stairs.] At that point we were kind of standing on the street and I
looked to my left and actually I noticed the tower was down. I didn't even know
what it was when we were in there. It just seemed like a huge explosion. [p.
6]
Journal of 9/11 Studies 101 August 2006/Volume 2 ***
Stanley Trojanowski, 9110292 South Tower: After the collapse of number Two
World Trade Center, which I actually thought was a bomb that went off because
the north tower was blocking my view, debris and everything started falling,
people were running... [p. 3] ... I made my way underneath the scaffolding
again and just tried to outlast the collapse, which I thought was just another
bomb going off. [p. 4] *** Albert Turi, 9110142 South Tower: The next thing I
heard was Pete say what the fuck is this? And as my eyes traveled up the building,
and I was looking at the south tower, somewhere about halfway up, my initial
reaction was there was a secondary explosion, and the entire floor area, a ring
right around the building blew out. I later realized that the building had
started to collapse already and this was the air being compressed and that is
the floor that let go. [p. 14] *** Thomas Turilli, 9110501 South Tower: [This
appears to be at, or just before, the collapse of the ST. They are in the NT
and have just sent some men up in the elevator.] The door closed, they went up,
and it just seemed a couple seconds and all of a sudden you just heard like it
almost actually that day sounded like bombs going off, like boom, boom, boom,
like seven or eight, and then just a huge wind... [p. 4] [They get down the
stairs.] At that point we were kind of standing on the street and I looked to
my left and actually I noticed the tower was down. I didn't even know what it
was when we were in there. It just seemed like a huge explosion. [p. 6] Journal of 9/11 Studies
102 August 2006/Volume 2 *** Thomas Vallebuona, 9110418 South
Tower: ...I heard ‘boom’, an exploding sound, a real loud bang. I looked up,
and I could see the Trade Center starting to come down, the south tower, which
I guess I was about a block away from. [p. 5] North Tower: And ‘ba-boom’ again,
the same sound, the same noise, the same shuddering, shrilling noise of the
metal falling as it cascades down. [p. 9] *** Stephen Viola, 9110439 South
Tower: [Collapse experienced from inside NT.] Our guy went in with 13 truck,
and he was coming down with the guy from 13 truck to bring the elevator to us,
and when he was either going up or coming down the elevator, that's when the
south tower collapsed, and it sounded like a bunch of explosions. You heard like
loud booms, but I guess it was all just stuff coming down... [p. 3] *** William
Wall, 9110285 North Tower: At that time we heard an explosion. We looked up and
the building was coming down right on top of us... [p. 9] *** James Walsh,
9110459 North Tower: The building didn’t fall the way you would think tall
buildings would fall. Pretty much it looked like it imploded on itself. [p. 10]
Journal of 9/11
Studies 103 August 2006/Volume 2 ***
William Walsh, 9110442 North Tower: I just remembered seeing two floors of
heavy fire from the north side of World Trade Center one and the West side of
World Trade Center one. All of a sudden things collapsed one Floor, and then
within a second or so it just imploded. [p. 28] *** Charles Wells, 9110163
South Tower: We got to the point of being in between the Vista Hotel and the
World Trade Center, at which point we heard a -- we felt a loud -- a very
strong vibration, shaking, and a loud noise like a subway train coming through
a station at speed, like a jet engine at full throttle. It was a roaring
sound... [p. 6] [After digging himself out of the collapse rubble.] Everybody's
heads were all popping up now. Everybody is digging out, so I ran into a couple
of firefighters and I said, "Well, you know, what the hell happened?"
Some kind of an explosion, he goes, and that's what I thought it was... [p. 8]
*** Daniel Williams, 9110289 South Tower: I turned my face back towards the
buildings as -- looking up at the south tower. It seemed like the one floor
exploded, but in retrospect I'm thinking that was the compressive force of the
building coming down that blew it out. I remember yelling, "Run." [p.
4] *** Journal
of 9/11 Studies 104 August 2006/Volume 2 APPENDIX
C: NON-EXPLOSION CASES BY CATEGORY: TEXT AND CONTEXT: 10 CASES 1.DENIAL OF
EXPLOSION: 2 CASES James Murphy, 9110323 South Tower: [This is the sound as
heard from around the ground floor of the NT.] I was looking down towards West
Street, because that's where it seemed that it was coming from. You just heard
-- I thought it was a third plane that hit, because when we were going in there
was a couple of cops. When we made the right onto Liberty, they said, "Be
careful, guys, there's a third plane heading in." So that's what I thought
it was. It just seemed like a long time that it was -- it didn't seem like an
explosion. It was like boom, boom, and then just got louder and louder. It got
louder and louder, and then all of a sudden I was looking out onto West Street
and the whole area turned from gray to black in a hurry. *** Glen Rohan,
9110404 North Tower: We got approximately to Vesey, a little further past
Vesey, I would say about 200 feet from the tower, when we heard a noise. I
wouldn't even call it an explosion, but it was enough to make you look up. When
we looked up, you could see things coming off the sides of the building of what
was then number One World Trade Center. We looked at it for probably about five
seconds before I realized that this building is coming down. 2.PANCAKING
(TERM): 7 CASES Craig Dunne, 9110490 North Tower: I believe we were there maybe
two minutes, two and a half minutes. We heard the rumble, looked up, and the
antenna started leaning and the whole building started pancaking towards us,
coming down. *** Dennis Fischer, 9110402 North Tower: Journal of 9/11
Studies 105 August 2006/Volume 2 ...we
heard the rumbling. We looked up, that I remember as plain as day. I looked up
and I saw from the top, I actually watched it with my own eyes, I saw the top
start to pancake down. I remember looking at the proby I was with. We looked at
each other in amazement. The time seemed to like stand still for a second. We
looked at each other. We looked back up. We looked back at each other. It
seemed like a bunch of time went by. It was probably like a fraction of a
second. Everybody started just running the other way. *** Sammuel Harris,
9110108 South Tower: As I related back to Chief Gombo – or I was getting ready
to walk out and tell Chief Gombo what I was told, that's when tower one started
to pancake and collapse. The only thing that I remember was the guy in front of
me who was standing there in awe of just the earthquake feel, for myself as
well. *** Scott Holowach, 9110114 South Tower: Shortly after that, sure enough,
I heard – I don't know even -- I guess a rumbling sound. I looked up and I see
the whole 70th floor basically like buckle out and start crumbling down the
outside of the building. At the time I grabbed two other guys and said let's
get the hell out of here. We dove into the building and after the rumbling
stopped -- Q. Would have been south tower collapsing? A. The south tower. Q.
You could see it from your position? A. Yes. I visually watched the 70 floor.
It looked like almost it was buckling outwards and then it just went down the
outside of the building, just like scaled the outside of the building and it
just started pancaking... *** Robert Salvador, 9110474 North Tower: ...and then
the north tower started coming down. I heard the same -- same pancaking, like a
machine gun coming and glass flying, so I closed -- shut the door, got out of
the rig, and ran -- started running across the street. Journal of 9/11
Studies 106 August 2006/Volume 2 ***
Tiernach Cassidy, 9110413 North Tower: We start walking down Cortlandt Street
from Broadway, going west, and we’re carrying the stokes basket, myself and the
team I was with, the other four guys. We started hearing the pancaking of the
north tower now. I looked at the officer I was with. We both looked at each
other like what’s that? Not thinking the second one would be coming down. Q.
What did it sound like? A. It sounded like a plane just getting ready to land,
just getting closer, coming in; a bowling ball getting closer when it’s ready
to hit that sweet spot, you know. But it didn’t take us long to realize what it
was. We didn’t look up. We just ran ... *** Rosario Terranova, 9110168 South
Tower: While we were discussing this, I remember hearing Chief Ganci say,
"Oh, shit," you know, so we all looked up, and you could hear this
rumble coming. We looked up at the south tower, which is the No. 2 tower, and
all of a sudden we began to see like a pancake. I mean, it's as simple as that.
If you could imagine you had two cards in your hand, and you just clapped your
hands, and they just closed on each other. That's what it looked like, like a
toy, and we began to see the pancake, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom,
boom, one floor after another, as quick as you can imagine it. 3.PANCAKING
(DESCRIPTION): 1 CASE Luis Sanchez, 9110128 South Tower: Five minutes later I
just heard this loud noise. It was like an earthquake. It was shaking, and
things was going down. I looked everywhere. There was nothing going on. I
looked to the side, looked to my friend. There was nothing going on. When I
looked up, I saw the top of the building floor by floor was coming down,
collapsing. I was oh. (Inaudible.)
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