Cultured
vegetables are so easy to make and almost foolproof with just a few
exceptions. First of all, this is one of the safest ways to
preserve your vegetables. It is scientifically impossible to get
botulism from cultured vegetables. Here is a great video and post on
this if you’d like further information. Fermenting Tip: Put a lid on it.
One of the things that people find most troublesome is what appears to be small areas of white mold growing on the surface of the cultured vegetables. There is no reason for alarm and it is not actually mold but a yeast that they call Kahm yeast. It can be found in cultured foods, but is not harmful. It can look scary and unpleasant, and even smell a little strong, but is not a harmful thing. It should be removed from the jar so it doesn’t impart a strong odor or unpleasant taste. If you can’t get it all removed and a little is left in the jar, it won’t hurt you.
This kind of thing almost never happens to me, so I spent some time this year trying to make this type of yeast appear on my vegetables to see if I could help you figure out why it happens. I have a lot of good bacteria and healthy yeast floating around my kitchen from years of fermenting and found it very difficult to reproduce this kind of thing on my vegetables. I really wanted to discover why this was happening to others and not to my ferments. Here is what I discovered from my many science projects.
So there you have it – my science experiments to help you out with your problems and make it as easy as possible for you. I am at your service when you need my help. Even if it means destroying perfectly innocent vegetables for the sake of science.
P.S. I also hate posting ugly pictures of imperfect cultured vegetables. These are the things I do for you…..
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One of the things that people find most troublesome is what appears to be small areas of white mold growing on the surface of the cultured vegetables. There is no reason for alarm and it is not actually mold but a yeast that they call Kahm yeast. It can be found in cultured foods, but is not harmful. It can look scary and unpleasant, and even smell a little strong, but is not a harmful thing. It should be removed from the jar so it doesn’t impart a strong odor or unpleasant taste. If you can’t get it all removed and a little is left in the jar, it won’t hurt you.
This kind of thing almost never happens to me, so I spent some time this year trying to make this type of yeast appear on my vegetables to see if I could help you figure out why it happens. I have a lot of good bacteria and healthy yeast floating around my kitchen from years of fermenting and found it very difficult to reproduce this kind of thing on my vegetables. I really wanted to discover why this was happening to others and not to my ferments. Here is what I discovered from my many science projects.
Always use fresh vegetables
This seemed to be one of the fastest ways for this type of yeast to appear on the vegetables. I noticed it most when I used cucumbers and carrots from the store in the winter – when they had sat in my fridge for a while and I hadn’t used them right away. The sooner I used them and cultured them, the less chance I had of developing this Kahm yeast. Using fresh veggies seems to keep this from happening. If you don’t have a green thumb here are a few tips on how to grow tomatoes yourself!Use a Culture
I almost always use Caldwell’s Starter Culture For Vegetables to culture my vegetables. It is the best veggie culture on the market and gives you tons of good bacteria – even more than using other starters or kefir whey. I met the people who made these starters and they shared graphs and charts explaining how their cultures worked. At first I was skeptical until I witnessed for myself how powerful these starters are. You don’t actually need a packaged culture starter to make cultured vegetables. Just adding salt, water, and submerging the vegetables under the water will allow acidifying bacteria to create an environment for the good bacteria to become dominant, creating billions of probiotics. But then, because there is no added starter culture, the bacteria are not as strong. When you add Caldwell starter culture, the bacteria stays at a higher level longer than other cultures and methods. Again and again I have witnessed the strength of these cultured veggies. Also, I have had very little trouble with this type of white film growing on my vegetables after I started using the Caldwell starter. I love it and will sing its praises. It is my very favorite veggie starter culture.Keep the vegetables submerged under water
This is one of the ways to keep white Kahm yeast from showing up on your cultured vegetables – keep them submerged under the water where the good bacteria and acidifying bacteria keep this problem at bay. However, I’m gonna shoot straight with you. I never worry about this very much. My vegetables always float up above the water while fermenting and I get a kick out of watching them bubble up and rise. This bubbling means that little microbes are doing their job fermenting my food and I love watching it. It is a thrill to me that unseen forces are making my food powerful and mighty. So what I usually do when I see they are rising above the water is simply open the jar and push them down with a spoon. Then I close the jar and leave them to do their thing. I really don’t worry about it much because my veggies don’t mold very often, and I actually have to work at it to make them do this.Reusing your brine for another culture
One other time I have seen Kahm mold was when I used the brine from Bubbies pickles to make a brine for some new cultured veggies. They almost always mold when I do this, because they don’t use added cultures and the bacteria are not very strong. Once you begin to culture your own vegetables, you absolutely can use the brine or juice from one cultured veggie to add to a new batch. But keep in mind that over time the levels of good bacteria diminish so this can cause it to develop the Kahm yeast.Making your vegetables in an airlock vessel
This can also help with any Kahm yeast and is very effective but not foolproof. If your veggies aren’t fresh or your culture isn’t strong enough there can still be problems. An airlock vessel gives you less problems than other vessels. The vegetables seem to be protected better from exposure to air which can cause the vegetables to turn brown or develop a white film.Temperature
Letting them ferment in a cooler temperature is helpful. Cultured vegetables like it a little cooler – between 63 and 80 degrees Fahrenheit. If they do get Kahm yeast on them, simply scrape it off and place them in the fridge. The cooler temperature can often cause the yeast to stop developing.Time and salt
Only ferment your vegetables the minimum recommended time on your counter, which is six to seven days for cabbage ferments and three days for other veggies like pickles, tomatoes, and carrots. Adding salt also inhibits the growth of undesirable pathogens, including yeasts and other microorganisms. Too much salt won’t allow lactic acid fermentation to occur fully, but too little salt can result in off flavors or mushy vegetables.So there you have it – my science experiments to help you out with your problems and make it as easy as possible for you. I am at your service when you need my help. Even if it means destroying perfectly innocent vegetables for the sake of science.
P.S. I also hate posting ugly pictures of imperfect cultured vegetables. These are the things I do for you…..
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1. None of the jars bubbled during or after fermenting. All my other veggies bubbled a little. Is the asparagus okay?
2. One jar has pale white stuff coating the asparagus UNDERWATER. The jar looks like those undersea movies with stuff covering sunken ships. When I gently shake the jar, the white stuff easily drifts off the asparagus. It does not look like Kahm’s yeast that appears above the waterline. Again, Is the asparagus okay?
Thank you so much for your assistance. My health is improving and chronic years-long problems are disappearing!
Donna, thank you for your reassurance and for sharing your wisdom. I will tackle non-dairy kefir soon.
Patricia
I just pulled my fermented orange cabbage out of the cabinet. It has about an inch of darkness on top but the bottom 9/10 looks okay. Why did that happen I wonder? Is it okay to eat? I took a bite and it didn’t taste sour enough. What should I do? Eat? Not eat? Leave out or refrigerate? This is my first time fermenting. I do kombucha all the time however!!!
I try to push them down every day. Is that floating normal?
I,ve begun making Kefir for us both, how do I go about Double brew ?
Frea
Here is how to second ferment your kefir.http://www.culturedfoodlife.com/how-to-second-ferment-kefir/
2. I’ve never made fermented food b4 & am scared about failing. If I have just a glass gallon jar with a plastic screw on lid, will that work? I do remember from one of your previous posts that anything hot (garlic, radishes, onions, etc) gets magnified by fermenting.
Thanks!
Can you shed some light on this Donna?
I am new at fermentation and only made Kombucha so far. I started some cucumbers 2 days ago in 4 different containers. 3 glass jars and one crock. The crock is wide and oblong shaped. It has some Kahn yeast on the surface. I am debating if I should put the olive oil on it, which I don’t think goes so well with pickles, the melted coconut oil, or just transfer the whole contains into other jars and containers. The glass jars seem to be doing fine, and are bubbling now, the contains from the crock are not bubbling. Also, the crock has 1 cup of kombucha in it, the glass jars don’t. Can you suggest to me what would be the best thing to do? I also only have a small jar of coconut oil and hate to waste most of it to put onto the crock surface.
Astrid
Thank you for your help and all of your answers and suggestions it is really appreciated
this includes any ferment with cabbage the bacteria or probiotics
start to diminish because at room temperature they ferment at a higher rate and begin to run out of food less the
Probiotics. If you place them in the fridge the levels
stay at a higher level longer. It doesn’t hurt to leave them out
longer you just get more benefits.
For instance – I have jars of brine from some cultured carrot sticks and from a green bean salad (used Caldwell starter). I just purchased ingredients and want to culture those same things again — can I just stick the new ingredients in the brine water that I have saved in those jars in the fridge? Or do I just take part of the brine, and use some fresh water and salt? (And if I only use part of the brine – how do I estimate how much salt I need?) — Looking for some basic universal “formulas” here I guess.
Also – I realize the potency will diminish over time, does it matter how much time goes by though in between subsequent batches? And do you just recycle the starter brine once? Or how many subsequent batches do you get out of it?
Thanks for your time in hearing my questions.
Thanks
Thanks for all the goodness you impart to the food world! ~Val