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- Carlos Ghigliotti, who had been retained by a U.S. House
committee to help investigate the 1993 siege of the Branch Davidian compound
in Waco, Tex., was found dead in Laurel under unexplained circumstances
yesterday. "We're investigating it as a homicide," said Laurel
police spokesman Jim Collins. Ghigliotti, 42, was found about 1:30 p.m.
in the 600 block of Washington Boulevard. His body was badly decomposed,
said police. There were no signs of a break-in or a struggle at the home,
where Ghigliotti ran his business, Infrared Technologies Corp., police
said. An expert in thermal imaging and videotape, Ghigliotti told the House
Government Reform Committee in October that his analysis of tapes at Waco
indicated that an FBI agent fired shots at the compound on April 19, the
final day of the siege--a view disputed by the FBI.
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- Michael Caddell, lead lawyer in a $100 million wrongful
death lawsuit stemming from the Waco siege, said last night that he recently
had discussed the findings with Ghigliotti and intended to retain him--not
only because his work was impressive but also because Caddell's first expert
had suffered a stoke recently. Caddell said that two weeks ago he wrote
to Waco Special Counsel John C. Danforth, urging that he interview Ghigliotti
immediately. Caddell said he'd heard of Ghigliotti's death yesterday from
Rep. Dan Burton (R-Ind.), chair of the committee that retained Ghigliotti.
Police called Burton, Caddell said, because his business card was found
in Ghigliotti's pocket.
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- A building manager, concerned that no one had seen Ghigliotti
for some weeks, contacted police, who found the body. Michael McNulty,
who made a documentary film about Waco that was instrumental in reopening
the investigation, said he had been looking forward to seeing Ghigliotti's
conclusions. He added, "My impression is that the work he did was
significant and important."
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- Ghigliotti's body was transported to the chief medical
examiner's office in Baltimore for an autopsy.
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- Staff writer Richard Leiby contributed to this report.
© 2000 The Washington Post Company
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Memorial To An Honest Man
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From Sharlene (Lost Child At Waco)
4-29-00
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- Folks, sit back in your chair and get ready to have your
socks blown off. As I sit here I have tears in my eyes, because it appears
another great American has been needlessly slaughtered... we'll have to
wait for more word about his demise.
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- The path to truth was never going to be pretty... it's
very sad it has turned even bloodier. I pray for everyone left who speaks
out about this, and is looking for truth.
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- The below information comes from Dave Hardy and is VERY
incredible. DO NOT skim over, read each thing very carefully. The aces
up Dave's sleeve were well worth the wait. You will be reading this in
the news very soon, but we are privileged to see it here first.
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- Thank you Dave... truly amazing. _____
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- By Attorney David T. Hardy
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- What follows is something I have not been able to reveal
prior to this point. As I mention at the end, I am now released from my
promise of secrecy. Please forgive the length--I think you'll find it worthwhile.
This covers many months of evidence and conversations, which I've had to
keep quiet.
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- The House Gov't Reform Committee had retained an infrared
expert named Carlos Ghigliotti, of Laurel, Md. Carlos had been working
on the FLIR for months, and shared a lot of his results with me. I'd pass
him data when he needed it, and he knew he could count on me to keep my
mouth shut. Carlos had done a lot of IR work -- including using it to spot
polluters contaminating Chesapeake Bay, and diagnosing electronic errors
(a bad connection or phase mismatch heats up). He loved his work, and was
proud of some electronic inventions which enabled him to link together
visual and IR imaging into a single image. He got into some courtroom work--chiefly
determining if FLIR used to justify a drug search warrant was properly
used or not. He had two principles: (1) if retained, he would tell the
absolute truth as to everything and (2) he would never accept a second
retainer from a drug suspect. No matter how egregious the misuse a second
time around, he wasn't interested in being of assistance to a man who violated
the law a second time.
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- He'd just had a case where an attorney tried to grill
him... but the more questions the guy asked, the deeper he got into the
hole, until the courtroom security guards were all wandering in and sitting
in the back, amusing themselves at the attorney's expense. Carlos knew
his stuff, and he laid it right on the line.
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- I talked with Carlos over the phone a lot, and visited
him in his lab a couple of times. I now forget the first one, but the second
visit was the day Mike McNulty previewed his latest film in DC.
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- Thru the committee, Carlos was able to obtain a much
better quality tape than any anyone else had. He discovered that, when
FBI gave out "first generation copies," it was in fact giving
out copies of a digitized "master," not of the original analog
tape. Digitization compresses the image, and loses some of its quality.
He demanded and got, thru the Committee, a copy of the original tape, on
Super VHS, with some other tweakings to make it the most perfect copy possible.
He said they brought out the envelope with the original--it had about twenty
chain-of-custody signatures on it. He figured that his copy was as close
to identical to the original tape as it was possible to have--whereas the
ones everyone else has been using are a few generations down.
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- Then he imported the video into his lab equipment (which
I've seen--VERY impressive--four big monitors, Super VHS decks, two computers
with more speed, RAM, and hard drive than I ever thought possible.). He
was thorough, refusing to make a finding until he had it pinned down from
every angle. In one case, he told me last month, he'd finally managed to
link by time and location an image of a person shouldering a weapon, shown
on the regular media videotapes made from the media locations, with a flash
on the FLIR.
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- He found nearly 200 suspected gunshots, and had done
the work necessary to verify that many of these were genuine. Understand
that his idea of "verify" wasn't just to see the image. He wanted
to find the shooters, as well, and to plot their movement from one flash
location to another. And he wanted to correlate the FLIR images to every
possible ordinary video image, to see if he could link up what the media
filmed from the side with what the FLIR registered from overhead. He was
really hot on getting some footage shot by DPS from a site behind the building,
so that he could tie that in as well. This man was thorough--no rushing
to judgment on anything. His normal standard was to study everything from
every possible angle or potential critique, until he could lay all the
cards on the table, be absolutely clear, and defend his conclusions against
any criticism. And he knew this was no normal case... as he once said,
the Waco FLIR was probably going to be the next Zapuder film, and he wasn't
going to say something that he couldn't prove against any criticism.
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- On the side (and I have no idea why he was analyzing
this) he said it had been determined that almost the entire Waco operation,
not only 2/28 but the siege, had been improperly financed from money that
law enforcement was supposed to use only in the war on drugs. He said there
was plenty of documentation here, showing flow of money. In the 2/28 videotape,
the ATF agents are all trying on new uniforms, new equipment -- everything
down to the computers in the media area of the raid HQ were bought out
of money supposed to be used only in drug enforcement. He said that much
or all of the siege had been financed the same way. There were written
standards in the gov't for when the drug enforcement money could be used,
and these could be shown to have been violated in black and white terms.
A considerable amount of money had been, well, embezzled, to support the
effort.
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- Carlos also told me, last month, that he'd seen FLIRs
from nights before 4/19, and that it was apparent that the FLIR aircraft
was being used to monitor the Davidians' water supply. The water was stored
in those big plastic tanks at the rear of the building, and the coolness
of the water inside showed up as a darker area. It was apparent that the
water supply was shrinking, and by 4/19 was almost gone. He had heard the
aircraft crew talking about it, and noting that the level was going down.
So, essentially, they knew that thirst would force an end to the siege
within a few days of 4/19.
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- While I was in his lab, he showed me some footage where
it was clear, beyond any doubt, that a man was moving in the wreckage of
the gym. The guy gets up from behind one pile of cover and races to another.
In between, you see a very long flash that exists only for an instant --
much longer in terms of physical length than could be attributed to a gunshot.
He said that was a bullet imaged in flight--he'd imaged them before, while
flying past shooting ranges. (Shooters know that a bullet after firing
is too hot to pick up in the hand, a product of being rammed down a barrel
ahead of burning powder, and then of air resistance as it travels at Mach
2-3 thru the air. I'd never suspected that one would show up on IR.). These
scenes I saw with my own eyes, on his equipment--it was clear there was
a person there.
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- He'd done a preliminary report for the House committee
before they had a falling out--he wanted to do a really throrough job,
which he said would take months, and they wanted him to do a final report
quickly. (He also mentioned that they'd been slow in payment, and he'd
needed their check to buy some more equipment that he wanted to devote
to the final analysis.). He said that someone (I think he said Rep. Burton
himself) had called and threatened that they'd sue him for what he'd already
been paid, and he decided he wouldn't take that guff from anyone. He would
finalize his report, brief everyone, and that would be it.
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- The prelim report I have here (he wanted to keep it secret
for the time being, and faxed me a copy with instructions to keep my mouth
shut. As will be set out below, I think I have been released from that
promise.).
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- To summarize:
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- 11:24:16 to 36: shots from two locations into hole made
by CEV in gym.
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- 11:24:50 to 11:25:04 apparent return fire from inside
of gym.
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- 11:26:13 to 11:26:27 additional return fire. If the dark
objects behind the tank are indeed shooters, this may have pinned them
down. Following this, the tank backs over the dark spots.
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- 11:26:39 "One of the two unknown subjects is clearly
visible exiting out of the hole in the front wall of the gym which the
tank previously made. The unknown subject turns to the right into the courtyard."
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- 11:28:04 to 11:28:14: gunfire from this person's approximate
position, directed toward building.
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- 11:28:18 to 11:28:22: return fire from structure.
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- 11:30:09 to 11:30:15: gunfire from shooter in courtyard,
toward building.
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- 11:33:51: gunfire between gym wall and swimming pool,
into the structure. The infrared signature of these shots differs from
those seen earlier in courtyard area.
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- 11:34:32: one shot at unknown subject that is running
and hiding between gym and swimming pool. [This may be the one he showed
me]
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- 11:38:34: unknown subject is seen hiding in front of
tank.
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- 11:43:36 to 11:59:03: gunshots from 2d story of building
directed at tank (I believe he is here referring to the tank penetrating
the front).
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- 12:03:59: An unknown subject appears next to the tank
in rear of structure.
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- 12:07:42: fire is visible in 2nd story tower.
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- 12:08:12: Unknown subject comes out of tank and shows
up at 12:08:51 shooting at another unknown subject that appears at 12:08:34.
12:08:31 to 12:08:32: "A cluster of thermal anomalies appears at the
corner of the gym."
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- 12:08:34 and 12:08:44: unknown subject runs from the
area where the thermal anomalies were seen, hops over rubble, and hides
in gym.
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- 12:08:51: automatic gunfire into area where previous
subject hides.
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- 12:10:41 to 12:11:15 numerous rounds shot from center
of courtyard, directed at structure.
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- Past this point, nothing of importance since fire overloads
FLIR, but visible media and the soundtrack of FLIR indicates that gunfire
did continue.
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- He notes that events at 11:24:31, 11:24:35 and 11:28:14
may have involved more than one shot.
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- He notes that a pattern was apparent: Davidian return
fire only occurred following penetration of the building by an armored
vehicle.
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- "Total number of events that occurred between 10:41:57
and 12:16:13: 198."
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- He told me, in late March, that he'd met with both the
majority and the minority of the committee (after they sort of broke off
relations) and shown them his results. Each briefing was in detail and
consumed several hours. I forget the exact numbers, but somewhere around
3-8 people, mostly attorneys for the committee, were present at each briefing.
He was still working on a final report when last I spoke with him. He was
rather miffed that they had not given him time to analyze everything, and
said he intended to insert a final section outlining all the things he
had wanted to analyze when relations were broken off. He added that the
minority staff had been rather surprised to see the data, since apparently
the majority had been informing them only of a minimal amount of his results.
Some of them suggested that maybe both the Demos and Republicans could
hire him on jointly, to do a really thorough piece of work. He was rather
flattered at the idea (if Carlos had any politics, I never heard of it)
altho he said he was suffering from "Waco fatigue" and wanted
to get back to his regular work, or even a long overdue vacation.
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- My memory may be imperfect here, but as I recall he talked
about the scene at the rear, where there is that big flash near the "dog
house." His interpretation:
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- The flash appeared to be multiple flash-bangs. It was
possible they were actually thrown by a Davidian, altho not certain. But
right after it, a person can be see running back into the building.
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- A hatch opens on the CEV. When it opens, the cooler,
darker interior of the vehicle is visible. A person exits the hatch. This
is not totally clear, and some people agreed with his interpretation and
others did not. But the person who dismounts then fires, the shots going
toward the last location where the suspected Davidian is seen. He added
that the Committee knew exactly who was under that hatch, so they could
actually name the guy who did it.
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- He could afterward track at least two suspected FBI shooters.
He could spot their location--one stayed in the gym wreckage, and the other
moved out into the courtyard, where he shoots.
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- Ian Goddard had spotted what he thought was a structure,
alongside the gym, and from which some shots come. I checked a color photo,
and the structure is actually a big chunk of gym wall that the tank has
knocked over and falls outward into the courtyard. I mentioned that to
Carlos, and Carlos said it was more complex than that. The shooter had
been in the courtyard to begin with, and the tank knocked the wall segment
atop him. If there hadn't been other wreckage to catch it and hold it up
a bit, he would have been squashed. I believe Carlos said that the gunshot
images from that location were a little distorted, probably because the
wall segment was cutting off part of the image at times.
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- Carlos also found indications that shots were being fired
into the underground storm shelter after the fire began. On one of the
regular media videotapes, you could see a long, bright flash going down
into the pit, from in front of one of the armored vehicles. He said it
was no sunlight flash, he'd imaged it on three different media tapes from
slightly different angles. His best assessment was that it was the fuse
on a pyrotechnic round. I saw this tape, also, with my own eyes. His view
was that they were gassing the underground vault to pin Davidians in place
during the fire.
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- Carlos was about as credible as they come. He'd done
work for the FBI in the past, in fact, and often worked with gov't agencies.
He had no particular ax to grind with regard to Waco: he once told me "the
only thing that makes me mad about this is when I can see government officials
making statements, and know for an absolute fact that they are lying."
He also told me that that the House Gov't Reform Committee had even more
data than he did, that he knew only part of it and couldn't talk about
it, but that it was really shocking.
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- He said that the big problem the Committee seemed to
see was the question of how they could get the information out, while at
the same time preventing another Oklahoma City type reprisal--it was that
shocking. This conversation came shortly after Carlos' name had first been
mentioned in the press, and the Committee rather played down his statements,
saying they were based on visual video rather than FLIR (which was true
only in small part). I asked about that--was the Committee getting cold
feet over his evidence, or just playing their cards close to the chest.
He said it was the latter -- they just hadn't figured out how to let the
info out yet. (He was then meeting with the majority on a weekly basis,
to brief them on his latest results.).
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- I talked to him after the recreation, and his assessment
was that it was pure junk -- the aircraft wasn't even at the right altitude,
they didn't have the right procedures to verify that the sensor was functioning
comparable to the one of 4/19, etc. The best thing that could be done with
any resulting tape (and this is BEFORE the results were known) was to drop
it in the wastecan. Whether it showed gunshots or did not, it'd be useless
for proving anything, whether for the Davidians or the FBI. I remember
talking to him outside his office, after the first visit, standing there
in the parking lot after dark. He'd mentioned that the guy with Infraspection
Institute, who had analyzed the FLIR for 60 Minutes back in '95 or '96,
and found FBI gunshots and shooters on it, had been terrified. In fact,
he'd sent copies of the tape to Carlos and to several others in the IR
field, with notes saying "If anything happens to me, you'll know why."
(The same guy later called me, said he didn't want his name used, that
"there are too many people already in their graves over this."
I wrote him off as him being rather nervous.).
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- I asked Carlos, there in the parking lot, if he'd ever
been fearful. He said only for a while, between the time he made his findings
and the time he reported them to the Committee. Then he had been worried,
because he was looking at clear evidence that would nail a LOT of FBI agents
on perjury, and perhaps much worse. But once he told others of his results,
he figured the cat was out of the bag.
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- This is a rather long post, but there is a reason. It's
in part a memorial for a feisty and totally honest guy I came to like a
good deal. On April 19 of this year, from the hotel room in Waco, I called
Carlos to report a minor discovery (the roof of the storm shelter, which
glows bright white on the FLIR, wasn't just plywood--it was covered in
black asphalt, which explained why it got so hot in the sun.). I got his
answering machine, but when it came time to leave a message, the tape just
said "tape finished. Thank you for calling." I thought he'd run
out of tape--never happened before, but who knows? I tried again from time
to time -- same result. I sent email asking him to call. Well, maybe he
was out of town. Early today I tried again, and this time nothing picked
up, the phone just rang off the hook.
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- Then this afternoon I received a call. Carlos was found
dead in his apartment. Perhaps the guy with Infraspection was right. I've
got a call in to Laurel PD to tell them what little I know.... my phone
records show calls to him up thru 3/30, after that he must have called
me but there's no record, and I was unable to reach him on 4/19 and thereafter.
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- Too damn bad. He was a good man, and I'd come rather
to like him. He was rigorously honest -- his own man, and no one elses'.
Since the Committee has his results (and has had information on it for
months now), I guess we'll soon know how serious they are about investigating
Waco. _____
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- Sharlene's note: Carlos Ghigliotti was the owner of Infrared
Technologies Corp. in Laurel, Maryland. Washington Post reports that from
1991 to 1995, Ghigliotti, 42, was paid by the FBI as a thermal imaging
expert on an array of environmental dumping cases, according to an FBI
document. Ghigliotti "performed reliable work for the FBI," the
1995 document states. <link
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- I am scouring the news for any word of his death and
as of yet have found nothing. Keep posted for updates.
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- UPDATE-4-29-00-UPDATE
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- April 29, 2000 4:20 am Arizona Time
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- I just called the Laurel Police Department and got this
statement:
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- "At 1:27 PM officers were called to 608 Washington
Blvd., Laurel, Maryland, in response to a phone call about a man who had
been missing for several weeks. When officers arrived they found no signs
of forced entry. Inside the apartment they found a badly decomposed body
of a male, appearing to be in his 40's. No sign of a struggle was observed
at that time. The body was processed and sent to the chief medical examiner
in Baltimore. The body was of Carlos Ghigliotti, 42 yrs. of age, who resided
at the same address where he was found."
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- Public Relations Officer Jim Collins 350 Municipal Square
Laurel, MD 20707 Phone: 301-498-0092
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- This is all I have for now... there should be a full
story from Dallas Morning News and The Washington Post in a few hours.
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